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Just wondering whether i can 1v1 or 2v2 with friends offline without having a psplus?
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Pretty upset. So if come off in a weird way than I apologize.
I’m just looking for conflict resolution because I’ve been banned from a Reddit recently (first ban, literally a day or two in the Reddit) for a comment that may have been taking out of context.
They didn’t give me a chance to explain myself before banning. Tried to message to make sense of the thing and they equated me to an internet troll of sorts.
All I’m asking, genuinely is a way to deal with this, as I think it’s unfair to be seen as XYZ and be banned with no way to even argue my case. I didn’t post the name of the sub or the mod in question because This post is more of an inquiry if anything else.
Thanks in advance.
Edit:
So in the sub Reddit ********** the was a picture posted with the quote
“Sometimes you don’t actually know how traumatic something is until you talk about it like it’s some random anecdote, until you realize the table’s silent and all your friends are at you like what the fuck.
I commented on cause I related to that after going through a break up with my girl (not really relevant but I’m giving context)
I said
“Very hard to come to this conclusion as. Emotional abuse from a woman is just as bad.”
Something I didn’t say with intent. It flatly just that, I was abused by a woman. As a man I found it hard to really figure that, mostly because I felt prime my whole life to be a rock for women. So with this pragmatism I saw my abuse as more of an obstacle that men just deal with for their girl. It wasn’t necessarily an attack on all woman but that SPECIFICALLY my situation was just that.
A redditor said something in the lines of (I apologize because the comment was deleted to my surprise, by the moderator.)
“So sorry that happen, I believe there are abusers on both sides.”
Which kinda bothered me ngl because I wasn’t trying to pick sides with that comment. Men and women get abused. I was a man who was abused by a woman. I’m sure there are loads of men on some relationship subs talk about the same thing. I know this cause I follow some of them. Didn’t respond to it because I figure it was just a one off and what she said wasn’t that troubling any ways. Just gave a weird vibe is all.
Another Redditor commented the same thing but with a twist that I was trying to make this about women (another comment that was deleted.)
“Both men and when get abused, why did you feel the need to make it about gender?”
I said
“Because I am a man. When being abused by a woman, it’s hard to come to terms with it as the typical scenario is a small woman being abused by a large man.”
By this point I was annoyed y the line of questioning cause It was really just “mood” comment. Like I “yeah, I’ve been there. It sucks.” Didn’t feel like having an argument so I said.
“It also doesn’t help when I try to bring attention to that fact in comment the first thing two redditors try to do explain it doesn’t matter or the cliche answe. ‘Abuse is Abuse” or “I don’t condone abuse on either side.’”
I’m just like I don’t understand why this something to complain about? If gender doesn’t matter why am I being called out to being specific about something personal I went through on a public forum that talks about their abusive relationships?
One guy agreed with me and I got a couple of upvotes on both comments. And the mod deleted the others comments and perma banned me.
I’m confused like uh, wdf? The mods note to me was this:
“Toxic masculinity is the idea that it’s ‘hard to come to terms’ with abuse because it’s a woman dining it. News flash, it does not matter what is between your legs, being a victim is hard to comes to terms with. You don’t get to be hurt hurt because someone else experience is not what you want it to be.”
I’m honestly floored tbh. Like when was I hurt hurt? When did I say in my first come that it MATTER what was between you legs? What was with the condescending tone. Like was I talking to a mod or like what?
It didn’t seem helpful or even constructive, I wasn’t trying to gaslight anyone or anything so I just asked:
“Can you explain to me why I was banned?”
They responded.
“Cause you want to argue who has it worse, men or women. Abuse is abuse, it doesn’t matter who is doing it or who is being abused, what matters is getting out and healing. Your personal pain is most important to you, but should not be used to invalidate the pain other feels. I cannot allow you to tell others they didn’t have it that bad because they didn’t experience x thing like you did. No one should have the defend their right to what they feel. Have your debates elsewhere.”
A message that was ironic to me and just mind boggling as they could have extracted a debate out of two comments. Like I was the one who told someone that they were wrong. Like I was so confused. So I asked:
“Can you show me when I said anything like that? Because if I’m remembering the post and the comments that were made it seemed like that was being done to me.”
I was genuinely confused at thought that was a mistake was made. I’m just trying to figure out what’s going on. At least like link to something, explain my side and the context. Like even if I was wrong at least like give me the benefit of the doubt and explain it to me.
They respond:
“Plus you bring up gender where no one was talking about it in the first place . That tells me you should look at your way of thinking and ask why you want to start a debate on sexism on a gender neutral thread”
I also see that you like to throw around terms like “white knighting” and “cucked” without any understanding of what those words even mean. I will ban people for unironic use incel dog whistle because it’s obvious you fell into some toxic circlejerk because you were hurt and angry. Break free of that and I will be happy to urban you in the future.”
I was at lost for words. I’m completely confused like what was even happening. I haven’t said anything like that one the sub. I LITERALLY joined like two days ago and that was my first comment!
I respond with:
“I ask you to provide an evidence of that. Cause as far as it sounds right now, you are taking whatever I said out of context and using it against me without any way to defend myself. You’re talking about toxicity yet you are creating your own narrative and just going to town.
It really isn’t an issue of being unbanned, since I can make a new TRA whenever I want. It’s about your integrity as a mod if you can ban people Willy nilly with out any fair understanding of what was said to require said banning.”
I’m just trying to reach a resolution and I’m getting upset since it feels like I’m just being strung along. I think they may have looked at my history or whatever to maybe bring up random comments that would also be taking out of context idk. They would explain anything. I also say:
“So you misunderstand my comments. Ban me. Make fun of me based off of comments made on other pots in other subreddits. Gaslight me. Then ignore my calls for proof of claims you made. Nice to know Reddit Mods in **** the great and understanding folk you’d think they are.
Even went as far to look at my three only comments in that sun to see that they are still getting upvoted yet the comments I responded to were deleted. Amazing. It’s like you made that call completely on your own with no regard for understanding or anything like that.”
A whole passes and another mod answers my message:
“I believe the kid who banned you will get back to you when they’re able. Unfortunately it’s not always possible to return users’ messages as son as we’d like. Thank you for understanding.”
I respond:
“I would be a hell of a lot more understanding of their situation had they not taken my comment out of context. Banned me with no room for recourse and attempted to “read me” as if I was sort of toxic individual in these messages and ignore my calls for evidence as to why I was banned from a forum I assumed was meant for people who have been in a abusive relationship.
Not to be rude to you, but is this how mods operate with users. Because it seems a tab bit unfair. I understand you are not customer service but these sorts of moves feels very scorched earth.”
I got the “We didn’t like what you said, we don’t care what you meant. No you can’t defend yourself, eat shit go fuck yourself” vibe from them.
The second mod says :
I am not the mod who banned you nor was I involved in the decision, and I don’t know the context of what’s going on.
But I think it’s important to recognize that mid teams consist of individual users who are not monoliths. Many of us mod for subs about abuse because we have very personal experience with the topic and many of us are victim/survivors ourselves. I understand that the same can’t be said for other subs, but generally mods for abuse subs are doing this because they genuinely care and want to help others. Mods in these subs are volunteering their time, and even if you disagree with a decision that was made or how it was handled, I do think it’s important to remember that it is lot of work to try to moderate a community in a way that is safe for everyone - and that mods for these subs genuinely have the best intentions.
Again, I can’t speak to your individual situation, and I am not asking you to agree with the decision; I just don’t think that users always recognize the sheer amount of time & labor - and sometimes personal energy - that is devoted to moderating abuse subs. And I do understand that there are many complicated feelings when you are a victim/survivor using this sub and you disagree with a modding decision. Modding and using this sub are both very personal for many people and it can hard emotionally.
Which I saw as “ we are entitled to our own emotional feelings and we have a will to enforce that onto any user and if you have a problem than I’m sorry, I guess?”
I say:
“While I can understand that you guys are people with with your own lives and so on and so forth... and have the right to “govern” subs, the emotional dissonance that comes from being what I saw as a support group for people with experiences in abusive relationships to then berating me in the inbox as a meditating third party to be ridiculous.
Like I said this is not directed at you personally. I have asked this user continuously for EVIDENCE so that I may plead my case and they continued to act as if I deserved no such luxury.
I feel this to be unfair. To then go dark without explanation when they could have used the time spent to berate me to actually be understanding, just mind boggling.
Whether you are paid or volunteering the one thing I expect when they could have used the time spent berate me to actually be understanding, just mind boggling.
Whether you are paid or volunteering the one thing I expect when I message you as opposed to messaging a random user is a level of meditation to a solution. Rather then de escalation they could have used terms that were made in the comments that I posted.
There wasn’t a warning or an talk about context. It fingers pointed and a ban. While I cannot expect anything from you personally I find it very frustrating that while I open to discussion they were not.
I will wait for them to respond, if they continue to be the way they are I guess I’m just banned. It takes little energy to fair and decided to make me out to be a facelesss toxic individual on the internet. I hope that all mods on this Reddit are not like that, but if that is the case than it is a far cry from I expected when followed.
When a moderator gaslights you on forum called ***** it stands to reason that there is bigger problem that not being able to respond on time.
Thank you for time. Have a nice day.”
The first mod comes back and says:
“This is u/******* I was the one that banned you, I have not sent you a single message other than mod mail and frankly at this point I have zero intention of taking this any further. You can stay banned because it’s very clear you only want an argument. Normally I would be happy to oblige but I have a busy weekend so I don’t have time to play with concern trolls.
You replied to a gender neutral post
https://www.reddit.c With
‘Very hard to come to this conclusion as a man. Emotional abuse from a woman is just as bad.’ When there was literally zero gender mentioned. So right away YOU started the bullshit.
Ps using another account is ban evasion and can get you up banned, so have fun with that.”
After that I was temp muted for 3 days.
So yeah. Not sure how or why that happened the way it did but I’m looking for opinions or like help or whatever. Cause I admit I’m confused and new to mod relations. Is this how it’s supposed to go? Am I missing something?
I’ll put this in the edit for people to see.
The "Nifty Or Thrifty" article series takes a comprehensive look at the meta for PvP Cup forma--wait, hold up. We're not calling it that this month. No, this month, we're going with a new, more appropriate name:
"Mono Or YOLO"! Why? Well, because this month's Cup demands a...
different sort of analysis.
Welcome to
Labyrinth Cup.
Obviously going through the standard 10k/50k/75k/100k second move unlock options would be... well, massive. Aside from the
16 specific bans, you can run... well, ANYTHING really. The one big caveat is that there is no doubling up on any typing, so running something like, say, Wigglytuff would mean you cannot have anything else on your team that is at least part Fairy OR Normal type, as Wiggly has those two typings. You certainly CAN build a team stuffed with dual-type Pokémon, but obviously if you can find some solid mono-types, it makes teambuilding MUCH easier.
Hence the name change, specifically "YOLO" (You Only Live Once): it may be very tempting to pick certain dual-types, but you have to think through the consequences of each of those choices, of what you now CAN'T add to your team later. Assembling a team for this meta will require some forethought and planning.
And so, as I go through the below Pokémon (and yes, I will still try to work through in order from "thriftiest" to most expensive), I will be putting extra emphasis on mono-types, and for the dual-types especially, I will also list the consequences--the YOLO--of what having that 'mon on your team means... what you now canNOT also have on the same team.
But anyway, I've rambled on enough on intro and setup, and you know I always butt up against the character limit 😅, and this time I'm butting right up against the start of the month too! 😱 So let's get a move on. Here we go!
10,000 Dust/25 Candy
VENUSAUR Vine Whip | Frenzy Plantᴸ & Sludge Bomb The inside joke continues! I may have changed the format and even title of Nifty Or Thrifty this month, but we're still kicking it off with Venusaur, as (nearly) always. Some traditions and protocol just have to be continued. Anyway, Venu is arguably the best Grass in the meta without a gimmick (AKA Icey Aboma and Flying Trop). It doesn't do anything new or fancy, it just goes out and
does its job, tearing through the many relevant Water and Ground types, with the added benefit of being one of the more consistent and reliable ways to eliminate Charmers AND (nearly) all the Fighters you care about too. Venusaur is solid as ever, and its Poison subtyping perhaps has even a little more going for it than normal.
YOLO: Abomasnow, Tropius, Razor Leafers, Chesnaught, Toxicroak, Beedrill, Haunter
MONO TYPE ALTS: MEGANIUM is the first one that will come to mind for most folks, as a fellow
Frenzy Plant user and no secondary typing. It maintains Venusaur's record against everything but Dewgong, the Fighters, and the Charmers (it BARELY beats Clefable but loses the other big ones), though somewhat makes up for it by beating Registeel and Melmetal (Venu normally cannot) thanks to
Earthquake. There is also
CHERRIM, who also matches Venusaur aside from the Charmers, Sableye, and disappointingly, sometimes even Whiscash (who can outrace it to a killer Blizzard). However, Cherrim can outrace the Fighters (Goon and Vigoroth in particular) and Dewgong, unlike Meganium, and
like Meganium can also take out Regi and Mel thanks to
Weather Ball (Fire). Not the last time you'll see Weather Ball making a dent in this meta! Also worth noting: conveniently, both Meg and Cherrim have the same cheap 10,000 dust second move unlock as Venusaur, so easy to build from scratch if you need to... and Cherrim also looks VERY good in the recently revealed GBL Love Cup, so this could be the perfect time build one if you haven't already. You could also look at Tangrowth and/or Sceptile, but they're not particularly special in this meta.
BEEDRILL Poison Jab | X-ScissoFell Stinger & Drill Runᴸ Beedrill is, in many ways, the inverse of Venusaur. They share the anti-Fighter and anti-Charm roles, though Beedrill does it a little bit better overall, but then Bee goes out and beats Venusaur and its Grassy friends, is better versus other Bugs (looking at you, Galv), and thanks to
Drill Run, can turn the tables on things like Registeel and Sunny Castform that Venusaur can only dream of. But it's not as overall powerful as Venusaur, as you can see by the well-under-50% win record. And with both being Poison types, you cannot run them together.
YOLO: Venusaur, Victreebel, Toxicroak, Haunter, Galvantula, Escavalier, Heracross, Forretress
MONO TYPE ALTS: There really
aren't any that are not just worse dual-types. Nothing else can truly replicate the variety of wins Beedrill achieves with its unique suite of moves. There ARE a couple of other relevant Bugs we'll look at later, but they also have multiple typings. However, there is ONE mono-type Bug I might consider....
SHADOW PINSIR Fury Cutter | X-Scissor & Close Combat Breaking the normal thriftiness order of the article already, but this one is worth mentioning before we move on, as it really does seem to be the ONLY pure Bug that may have something going for it in Labyrinth. Regular Pinsir doesn't have the horsepower, but
Shadow Pinsir may have the sauce in this meta. It's quite a different beast than Beedrill, doing nothing against the Charmers and failing against Registeel, Toxicroak, and Galvantula due to no Ground moves, but using its
Close Combat to instead beat Lapras, Dewgong, Diggersby, Snorlax, Melmetal (Bee's Drill Run is too slow for THAT one), Sableye, and even Stunfisk, all while continuing to shred through (most) Grasses and Fighters as Beedrill can. This is no thrifty pick, but it IS pretty interesting.
WIGGLYTUFF Charm | Ice Beam & Play Rough Yes, Wigglytuff remains
easily one of the best Charmers (really behind only one other which we'll get to later on), being the fastest and most reliable of the bunch to beat things like Drifblim, Snorlax, Sableye, and Jellicent... you know, things that rely on Ghost damage that Wigglytuff's Normal typing blunts. But as you'll see in a second, that Normal typing comes with its own big downsides, because...
...YOLO: Vigoroth, Obstagoon, Diggersby, other Charmers, Powder Snow A-Ninetales
MONO TYPE ALTS: The easy out here is
CLEFABLE, with its pure Fairy typing and thus no need to eliminate the good Normal types out there from your team build if you want 'em. The problem is that Clefable is just a worse Wigglytuff, winning nothing that Wiggly does not and
losing to Abomasnow, Whiscash, Stunfisk, and Jellicent. If you're considering Clefable, it's really just so that you can use other Normal types alongside it. If you want a non-Wiggly Charmer, your solid alternative lies further down in the article, as I'm trying to stay MOSTLY on track with 10,000 unlock 'mons for now as much as possible.
There's also
WHIMSICOTT, which is very much NOT mono-type but is a cheap Charmer alternative. Unfortunately its second typing of Grass does more harm than good here, making it particularly susceptible to Fire, Flying, and Ice, which outweigh the good that comes with resisting Grass and Electric damage. It
does well enough that the right team may be able to make good use of it, and you'll probably see it here and there, but generally it lags a bit behind other Charm options, and also then occupies the only Grass slot on its team, which could be tricky to work around.
WHISCASH Mud Shot | Mud Bomb & Blizzard No Swampert, so here's your
best true Mud Boy (we'll look a potent "honorary" Mud Boy later). Not a lot of surprises left with Whiscash in PvP anymore... still hates Grass, not a big fan of Ice, and can get outraced by spammy Obstagoon, Vigoroth, Rainy (and Snowy) Castform, and even Galvantula, and struggles against Charmers, typically losing those as well. And while Blizzard is obviously a huge answer to many things, Skarmory and Mandibuzz can each tank one and still get the win too. But most everything else is in for a hard fight, especially the many Steels, Fires, Poisons, and even most Ghosts that occupy the core meta, among others. Huh... maybe there WAS more to talk about than I thought!
YOLO: Politoed, Jellicent, Dewgong, Lapras, Pelipper, Mantine, Lanturn, Diggersby, Stunfisk... perhaps Whiscash's biggest downside is a LONG list of things you cannot run alongside it.
MONO TYPE ALTS: I mean, if you REALLY want to dig deep, there's always
Shadow Dugtrio. 😂 Hey, it's not a BAD list of wins, just short. There are of course other Mud Boy alternatives (Quagsire, Gastrodon, even Marshtomp), but they're really no better than Whiscash and often worse... and of course, not mono typed. Your only real mono-type alterative is one that does not belong among the 10k mons, but definitely DOES belong at this point in the article as a direct and arguably better alternative to Whiscash....
POLITOED Mud Shot | Weather Ball (Water) & Earthquakeᴸ/Blizzard Not the first time I've pushed for Politoed... I stuck my neck out pretty far for it
back in Marsh Cup and some folks laughed at my statement that it could be the best "Mud Boy" in that format due to the fact that " it outright resists Ice and Water damage and doesn’t die quite as alarming fast to Grass damage", as I said at the time. And all of that is still true, and there is far less Electric to worry about in Labyrinth Cup, so...
who's laughing now? Toed has 3 more wins overall (a jump of 10% in the win rate) than Cash, and though it's not
strictly better--between the two, Whiscash uniquely beats Zweilous, Toxicroak, Sableye, Clefable, and Drifblim, some of those thanks to Blizzard--but Politoed beats numerous things Whiscash
can't, like Obstagoon, Vigoroth, Shadow Gardevoir, Jellicent, Alolan Ninetales, Lapras, Dewgong, and Whiscash itself, all but the first three of those due to its resistances to Water and Ice. If you want to REALLY emulate Whiscash (or just can't get Legacy
Earthquake), you can run it instead
with Blizzard and STILL it performs right on par with Whiscash, with Cash uniquely beating Lanturn and then Croak, Sable, and Zweil as before, but Politoed otherwise matching it blow for blow and getting its own unique wins versus Lapras, Mandibuzz, Whiscash itself, and even Tropius! If you want to use a Mud Boy but don't want to be saddled with eliminating other Ground types, or even if you just want arguably a
better-in-this-meta Whiscash, consider taking Mr. Toed's wild ride!
BLAZIKEN Counter | Blaze Kick & Blast Burnᴸ/Stone Edgeᴸ/Brave Bird The first Fighter on our list, and the first Fire as well, so let's take a brief moment talking about why each of those types are good here. You may have already gathered from sims above that there are a goodly number of things that burn (Grass, Steel, Ice, Bug) and many that don't want to come across a
Counter user (Steels and Ices again, and Darks and Normals). But all that onto a half-Fire body like Blaziken and suddenly you have a potential counter to other Fires too. And thus, we
end up with this. As expected, the win column is filled with Grasses, Ices, Bugs, Steels, Darks, Normals, and yes, other prominent Fire types. And the really crazy thing is that the same list shows up if Blaze is running
Stone Edge or
Brave Bird instead of the
Blast Burn shown there; the only difference is that BB can beat Stunfisk, which is a surprising and potentially important result that gives the all-Fire charge move set a very slight advantage. Haven't seen a lot of chatter on Blaze, but perhaps we should be!
YOLO: Toxicroak, Hitmonchan, Hitmontop, Chesnaught, Machoke (note that Obstagoon and Vigoroth COULD still be used, however!), Alolan Marowak, Ninetales, Sunny Castform, Charizard
MONO TYPE ALTS: On the Fire side, your best bet is probably
TYPHLOSION. While quite effective now with
Incinerate, it's not quite as versatile, though you can run it
with Shadow Claw to mix things up a bit, giving up stuff like Croak, Goon, Sable, Snorlax, and Stunfisk to instead gain Ninetales, A-Wak, Dewgong, and Shadow Gardevoir. On the Fighting side... well, let's break a pair of those down a little more.
HITMONCHAN Counter | Ice Punch & Close Combat/Thunder Punch Hey, it still mostly works in the thrifty section, as you can second move a Tyrogue for only 10k dust and then evolve it up and save yourself 65,000 stardust thanks to the Baby Discount™. And what you get for your efforts is basically
a legal Medicham. Not quite as good,of course... Medi can take down stuff like Vigoroth, Galvantula, Sunny Castform, and both Ninetales that Jackie Chan cannot, though there are
always tradeoffs, and Chan manages to beat Skarmory and Mandibuzz that overcome Medicham. So while it's not quite the same, Hitmonchan more than holds its own and represents the Ice Punch fight club well. And while MUCH more expensive due to no Tyrogue option,
Shadow Hitmonchan (with double Elemental Punches) is a different but still very effective flavor, and while it usually gives up Lanturn and Skarmory to get there, it can bring in new wins against things like Castform, Tropius, and bane-of-Medicham Sableye. Everyone seems to always forget Hitmonchan, but especially in formats like this where so many Fighters ahead of it are banned, make sure that YOU don't. While I've made my own recommendations here on moves, Hitmonchan is very flexible and can fill many holes on various teams depending on what moves fit YOUR team composition best.
HITMONTOP Counter | Stone Edge & Close Combat It seems to get more press than Hitmon "Jackie" Chan, and yes,
Top is just fine, though I still value Chan and its unpredictable versatility a bit more personally. What it lacks in variety of moves, Top makes up in pure power with
Stone Edge, allowing it to get away with a sneaky win over Ninetales, and its sheer bulk (even higher than Chan) allows it to outpunch Vigoroth...
with just Counter. But on the flipside, Top falls short against things Chan can beat, like the Castforms, Venusaur, Tropius, and more disappointingly,
Lapras and
Diggersby, which are usually surefire wins for Fighters. (In fairness, Top CAN beat those last two, but
just barely and only with
the right bobbing and weaving that a smart opponent can wiggle out of depending on how they shield.) I DO like Top, and this is a format where it can shine a bit. I just like Chan more, that's all. Personal preference, perhaps. Either way, the Hitmons should be out in force for once.
OBSTAGOON Counter | Night Slash & Gunk Shot One of the best Fighters that... isn't. Obstagoon does have two typings, but neither are actually Fighting. Instead, as a Dark/Normal, it has to avoid anything else that IS Fighting, as it is double weak to Fighting damage. But its handy resistances (Dark, 2x to Psychic, and
3x to Ghost) combine with its high Fighting and Dark damage output to make it
a great option overall, and one of the cheapest to build too! Darks, Ices, Ghosts, Normals, Fires, even most Waters all end up in Goon's wake. It should be prevelant in this meta.
YOLO: Mandibuzz, Zweilous, Sableye, Alolan Muk, Wigglytuff, Diggersby, Vigoroth, Lickitung, Snorlax
MONO TYPE ALTS: Well there's Vigoroth, of course, but we'll get to him later. Beyond that... there's really no mono-type that fills Goon's shoes beyond the Fighters we've already mentioned. With Scrafty nowhere in sight, Obstagoon stands basically alone.
I will go ahead and mention
LUCARIO here too, but it remains
very boom or bust with that Steel sub-typing, and bait dependant too! Yes, it certainly helps it dominate matchups versus Ice types and other Steels, but there are very few Psychics or Dragons around for Luc to resist, and a worrying number of Fires and Fighters and other things that get around its steely exterior to prey on its frailty. When it works, Luc can still work well here... but when it fails, and it looks like it
could more often than not in this meta, it fails spectacularly. Not to mention the many other Fighters and Steels that you can't use with Luc on your team. Baby Discount™ or not, I personally don't think Lucario is worth it here and would look elsewhere for my source of Fighting damage.
CHARIZARD Fire Spin/Dragon Breathᴸ/Wing Attackᴸ | Dragon Claw & Blast Burnᴸ Yes,
Zard is still a very solid Fire type, and is particularly effective against Fighters (and quasi-Fighters) and brutal versus Grasses thanks to its Flying secondary typing, and along with Blaziken and its Counter, makes it a rare Fire that is able to overcome Diggersby too. And yes, while Flying opens up new risks, it does still beat some of the more worrisome things like Galvantula, Drifblim, and Alolan Ninetales despite their unresisted (or even super effective) moves that don't bother landlocked Fire types as much. And you have options, with
Dragon Breath variants losing Galv, Blim, A-Tails, and Aboma to instead beat Mandibuzz, Alolan Marowak, Zweilous, and Kanto Ninetales, or
Wing Attack that beats
both Ninetales and Aboma, but loses the unique DB wins, as well as Galv and Blim. And while I won't go into all the sims now, Shadow Zard is certainly viable too, though I'd recommend just sticking with
Fire Spin there, as the other variants fall down a bit as Shadows.
YOLO: Alolan Marowak, Ninetales, Sunny Castform, Blaziken, Skarmory, Mandibuzz, Mantine, Tropius, Drifblim, Pelipper and more.
MONO TYPE ALTS: As mentioned after Blaziken, your best bet is probably Typhlosion. Not much else behind that, honestly.
ALOLAN ROCKS Volt Switch | Rock Blast & Stone Edge While we're here in cheap Electric types, may as well mention the suddenly popular (FINALLY folks are paying attention!) Alolan Rocks.
A-Graveler is ever so slightly better than
A-Golem, holding on to beat the major Charmers and Zweilous, while A-Golem instead uses its higher Attack to outrace Jellicent, Venusaur, and (Spark) Lanturn. Either way, the Alolan Rocks are equally capable of busting up Ices, Flyers, Fires, and Bugs, among others, but are deathly afraid of Grasses and Grounds (much moreso than other Electric types), and HAVE to avoid Fighters. Those weaknesses are all pretty prominently featured in this meta, which may hold them back more than the simple numbers and sims show.
YOLO: Various other Electrics I've already mentioned a few times, plus Probopass, Regirock, Cradily, Crustle, and uh... Magcargo, I guess?
MONO TYPE ALTS: Not much on the Rock side, at least among the thriftiest options. On the Electric side... well, most of the really good Electrics have SOME secondary typing. I guess there's
ZEBSTRIKA with its ability to burn stuff with
Flame Charge, but it's iffy and kinda niche. However, there is one big one that's being criminally overlooked (as it often is) and merits its own little writeup... right now!
RAICHU Volt Switch/Thunder Shock | Brick Break & Wild Charge/Thunder No no... not the Alolan one. AhChu has a
middling win percentage, but
KayChu looks like a potential star and isn't saddled with a secondary typing weak to Darks and Ghosts like AhChu, or Fire and Rock like Galvantula. More than the typing, the big difference is humble--one could even say underwhelming--
Brick Break. As I've mentioned numerous times in past Raichu articles and snippits, even though BB is a very mediocre move, its Fighting typing combined with the spam potential of Raichu's fast moves means it can do truly silly stuff like
beat the mighty Bastiodon. Of course, Bastie is banned here, but my point is that BB + spam = unique potential for an Electric type, like being one of VERY few that can take out Obstagoon. (In fact, only Raichu and Galv and two other Electric types can reliably do it.) You have options too... obviously
Wild Charge is the preferred closing move, but you do have the option of
Thunder which shares nearly all the same wins (Vigoroth is the only core meta loss that shows up) and obviously does not self-nerf. But the homerun potential of Wild Charge--especially with
high stat product IVs, is probably the way to go... go big or go home, right? And Raichu could go QUITE big here, able to get wins even Galvantula can't, like Lanturn, Ninetales, Sunny Castform, Snorlax, and Tropius... and with those H.S.P. IVs I just linked to, Clefable, Wigglytuff, and Alolan Marowak are within reach too! It's an impressive jump in performance (as opposed to Galv which gains just one notable win--Tropius--with max IVs) that practically demands you check your Pokémon storage for a good IV Chu. In my opinion, it's one of the best mono-types--best Pokémon
overall, even!--to consider in the entire format.
MAGCARGO Rock Throw/Ember | Stone Edge & Overheat Since we were just talking unusual Rock types, it is time once again (in a nod to the
original Bernie meme) to stump for my boy Magcargo. Many of you probably know by now that when it's even close to relevance, out I come with it, and
it does some real good in Labyrinth. Mr. Cargo can take out a varied mix of stuff that includes Alolan Marowak (and the other Fires, to boot), Abomasnow and Tropius, Wigglytuff and Clefable
and Shadow Gardevoir
and Alolan Ninetales, Skarmory, Galvantula, Drifblim, Mandibuzz and more. Or trade in
Rock Throw for the recently buffed
Ember to gain Melmetal (at the cost of Mandi and A-Wak). I'm not saying it's a build-around piece, per se, but a valuable and flexible bench option, or even regular starter on a team with some of those as holes to fill? Don't just sit there unimpressed like Bernie with his little gloves. Give it a good, hard look.
YOLO: Alolan Marowak, Ninetales, Blaziken, Probopass, Regirock, Crustle, Sudowoodo, Alolan Rocks
MONO TYPE ALTS: The whole reason I keep dragging Magcargo into the light is because it's so unique. You can consider a number of other Fire and/or Rock types to do some of what Mags can do, but there isn't anything that can do the combination of what it does.
CRUSTLE Smack Down | X-Scissor & Rock Slide Yep,
another cheap dual-type Rock Pokémon. Crustie actually comes out looking
pretty similar to Magcargo, but with some key differences. No resistance to Fairy here, so unlike Mags, Crustie loses to all the Charmers. It also takes neutral from Flying damage due to its Bug typing, so between that and having no super effective moves against Steel, it also fails to beat Skarmory and Melmetal as well, and lack of resisting Ice means that while it still beats things like Abomasnow, it is incredibly close. Ironically, it DOES beat Dewgong (which Magcargo cannot consistently do... one Water Pulse and it's lights out for Mags), beats Mandibuzz and A-Wak closely but consistently, and gets wins Magcargo can only dream about versus Zweilous, Sableye, and even Obstagoon with its super effective Fighting damage, thanks to Crustle's Bug damage from
X-Scissor. Not even the Alolan Rocks stand a chance versus Goon, but here we are. And here I thought, going in, that Rock wouldn't be a particularly good type in this meta!
YOLO: We've covered them already, but the highlights: Alolan Rocks, Magcargo, Regirock, and then Galv, Escav, Heracross, Forret, etc.
MONO TYPE ALTS: Not really. No other good Smack Down options here, and much of what does Bug stuff has already been covered. (AKA Pinsir.)
CHESNAUGHT Vine Whip | Superpower & Energy Ball It's
not an eye-popping record overall, but having a solid enough Grass that can also beat the likes of Melmetal, Vigoroth, Obstagoon, Zweilous, Sableye, and Snorlax is pretty nice, no?
YOLO: Toxicroak, Hitmons, Machoke, Venusaur, Tropius, Abomasnow, Razor Leafers
MONO TYPE ALTS: Numerous Grasses and Fighters, all arguably better in those roles, but none that do both.
DIGGERSBY Mud Shot/Quick Attack | Fire Punch & Earthquake Our first real shot at Diggs in a Silph Cup, and while not strictly dominant,
it brings the goods. A super bulky Ground that does all the things you'd ask of your Ground type (beating Fires, Steels, Electrics) plus outlasts the Charmers, Snorlax, Zweilous and others, and can strike back with fiery fury and take out Skarmory too. And if you can get your Diggersby over Level 40 (as early as
Level 42!), you can even turn the tables on Toxicroak, a huge pickup. It's not a perfect comparison, of course, but Diggs may be as close as you can get to emulating Galarian Stunfisk in this Cup.
YOLO: The Ground side isn't too bad--stuff like Stunfisk, Whiscash, and maybe Gligar or the like--but Normal means no Vigoroth, Obstagoon, Wigglytuff, Snorlax, Lickitung... it's a decently impactful list.
MANTINE Bubble/Wing Attack | Bubble Beam & Ice Beam Unlike DIggersby, we have had many, MANY shots with Mantine by now... not many surprises left. And yet, you know you too continue to get suckered into shielding those
Bubble Beams when you face down a Mantine. Come on, admit it... we've ALL done it. Somehow it seems harder to get it right against Mantine than anything else. Maybe it's the crippling fear of taking an
Ice Beam to the face when we can least afford it, or Mantine's really good bulk that allows it to just throw so MANY charge moves, or maybe it's that dopey grin that lulls us into complacency. Whatever it is, Mantine just always manages to force its way into relevance, and that should be
no different in this meta. At least we can reap the benefits of the Baby Discount™ in building one if we want in on the fun.
PIDGEOT Gustᴸ | Aerial Ace & Hurricane/Brave Bird The Normal half has unfortunate effects on the rest of your team, but if you just want a solid Flyer,
Pidgeot gets it done. This is actually a pretty welcoming meta for a good Bird, and with wins over the Fighters (and quasi-Fighters), Pidgeot is better than most. In fact, it is the ONLY Normal Flyer that beats Vigoroth or Obstagoon, and if that isn't enough of a selling point, it conveniently also takes out the major Grasses, Fires, Ghosts, and things like Snorlax and Diggersby and Mandibuzz and the (non-Ice) Castforms too. It's an impressive body of work that many players will completely overlook. Don't be one of them.
YOLO: Again, the biggest downside here is all the Normals, but there are several prominent Flyers too, including Skarm, Mandi, Mantine, Trop, Drifblim, Pelipper... and the list goes on. Pidgeot is good but may require some crafty teambuilding to fit in.
And that is actually it for the 10,000 dual-type options that I heartily recommend. Some things that normally make these lists like
Golbat,
Noctowl,
Empoleon,
Gyarados just don't do enough for me to push for their use. However, there ARE a few more standouts to mention that are mono-type:
LINOONE Shadow Claw | Grass Knot & Thunder Getting another chance to
spotlight its unique move package, Loonie continues to threaten major Flyers, Waters, and Ghosts, plus bonuses like Ninetales, Melmetal, and Stunfisk. Linoone is not (and likely will never be) the best option in any of those roles, but the fact that it can dabble effectively in all of them can make it a valued contributor on teams with a couple holes, especially in this meta where mono-types have their own increased value.
PRINPLUP Bubble | Icy Wind & Hydro Pump Empoleon may not be great here, but its pre-evolution
has a nice list of wins, and not just the Fires and Diggersby and Alolan Ninetales and such you would expect, but things like Registeel and Whiscash and Skarmory and Drifblim Mandibuzz and both Vigoroth AND Obstagoon. If you're looking for spice and your Water slot is otherwise unoccupied, give the junior penguin a look.
BLASTOISE Water Gun | Hydro Cannonᴸ & Ice Beam Blastoise does nothing exciting or unexpected, really, but it DOES come in and
does everything you'd want it to do. For the direct comparison to the Prinplup we just covered, while Blastie tends to fall short against A-Tails and Skarmory and Snorlax, it instead takes out Melmetal and Sableye and Stunfisk and major Charmers Wigglytuff and Clefable, just outbulking them all to hang on for the wins. In a meta where mono types are quite good, and there's no Azumarill to be found, Blastoise could be just what you're looking for. You could almost call Blastoise boring, but sometimes a little "boring" is all you need to complete your team.
50,000 Dust/50 Candy
As always, this is the most populous category, as there are tons of Pokémon with a 50,000 dust second move cost. And especially in a very open format like this, this section could easily fill an entire (and LONG) article by itself. I'm going to attempt to streamline it a little bit and talk just to the most promising and/or versatile options to consider, both dual and mono types. So just know going in that this may not be quite as comprehensive as normal, but your eyes will likely thank me for it when it's over. 🧐 That also means I will not highlight "YOLO" implications or mono type alternatives quite as much... I've covered most of that in the 10k section already, after all.
ALOLAN NINETALES Charm/Powder Snow | Weather Ball (Ice) & Dazzling Gleam/Psyshock I'll try to keep this simple and to the point: Alolan Ninetales is one of the very best Pokémon in the entire Labyrinth meta, AND in multiple different move configurations. It is an
absolutely deadly Ice type now with
Powder Snow spamming the new
Weather Ball and then carrying to big stick of
Dazzling Gleam to bring home wins versus stuff like Dewgong, Galvantula, and Sableye that resist Ice damage or just can't stand up to the big crushing blow of Gleam's 110+ STAB damage. In this configuration, you still beat all the Darks and most Fighters you would expect your Fairy to handle, PLUS the Grasses and Grounds and Fires you would expect your Ice to beat, plus the other Charmers themselves.
Charm A-Tails (subbing in
Psyshock over Gleam) is equally as effective, trading PS wins against Venusaur, Skarmory, Drifblim, and Vigoroth for Charm wins against Toxicroak, Lapras, Rainy Castform and Jellicent. Pay close attention to which fast move it's running before swapping in a good counter, but note that with Weather Ball now in its arsenal, the Charm variant in particular is much more dangerous now and both fast moves beat a very similar field of Pokémon.
TOXICROAK Counter | Mud Bomb & Sludge Bomb The "splurge" among Fighters in Labyrinth Cup. You can get nearly all the other viable ones much cheaper, and in some cases without even needing to actually BE a Fighting type at all. Toxicroak very much is a Fighter, and while in some metas that combined with its Poison subtyping has left it ready to be exploited by Psychic types (and Confusioners in particular), several of the bigger, scarier ones are banned. Other than the odd Jirachi or Bronzong here or there, Toxicroak's biggest downside is unlikely to be exploited at all! But surprisingly,
it still looks a little mediocre. What gives? Well, while Psychic is Croak's primary nemesis, it also has to worry about Flyers and Ghosts and Fairies and other things that can just outspam it, and this meta has quite a few of those. So while, yes, Toxicroak preys upon Darks and Steels and Normals and even most Grasses and other Fighters, it has a lot to keep watch for over its own shoulder too. Use it, surely... Croak is still a nice build-around piece. But don't just drop your shoulders and relax in this Psychic-light environment. Croak still must be protected and deployed carefully... and with a backup plan.
HERACROSS Counter | Close Combat & Megahorn Seemingly always underrated, maybe this will finally be the meta where people pay attention to
one of the better Fighters available? Yes, it has a secondary typing, but Bug is one of the easier ones to free up... most builds can consider just his Fighting typing and not miss not being able to run another Bug. And what that Bug side does for Heracross is make it Fighting-resistant just like Toxicroak is... and like Croak, Cross beats the other Fighters, including Toxicroak! The only meta things Toxicroak beats that Heracross cannot in 1v1 shielding are Sunny Castform and, ironically, Venusaur. (Though that latter one can be
super close.) In contrast, Heracross can defeat FOUR things that Toxicroak normally does not: Stunfisk, Whiscash, Mandibuzz, and the aforementined head-to-head over Toxicroak. As I said: Heracross is underrated, folks.
Aaaaaaaand as per usual with Silph Arena NoTs, there is no way I am going to be able to keep this below Reddit's character limit. 😅 So let's take a break here and continue in
Part II!
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